I thought we already came to the conclusion that it was Kizzas penis? Perhaps they were collaborating together?!
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(Side story, we got in a discussion about ethnicity because I said my ethnicity was Italian-Canadian, and she disagreed because I wasn't from Italy so I was just Canadian. I asked her then what made her French-Canadian seeing as she wasn't from France and she replied that it was because she spoke French. In response I asked her if I spoke Japanese if that would make me a Japanese-Canadian to which she said yes.)
So Kizzas penis is American? This is getting way too convoluted for my taste.
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My penis is very remorseful for what it did and I swear it has been beaten many times as punishment for the destruction, angst and subsequent bombings of the middle east.
I beat it to the sound of middle easterners running and screaming for their lives ;D
Was watching some Penn & Teller this morning and I came across this episode again and thought it was highly appropriate to this thread. Give it a watch.
But they don't tell us about any evidence that supports the theory of 9/11 being a 'terrorist attack'. And when the conspiracy theorists state their conspiracies they respond with 'Fuck you' and 'did you do that research in your ass' sort of stuff.
Tell me something that makes me believe that 9/11 was a terrorist attack. These bullshit videos from unreliable sources are just as bad as those YouTube videos.
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Yes, the hosts respond with fuck you. However you are ignoring the fact that they had on actual experts who discredited the conspiracy theories with logically thought out arguments.
So if the conspiracy theories are incorrect then that implies that the official explanation must be the correct one, right?
What I'm trying to illustrate here is that the conspiracy theories have been debunked by many, many different people using very rational arguments yet somehow people continue to cling to these theories to debunk the official explanation.
That's just assbackwards logic.
Nobody yet has successfully debunked the official explanation.
Yes, the hosts respond with fuck you. However you are ignoring the fact that they had on actual experts who discredited the conspiracy theories with logically thought out arguments.
What experts? What logical arguments? A fire department guy who lost fifty friends on 9/11 isn't an expert and he put up no logical arguments really. In fact he didn't put up any arguments at all. The guys in those videos say 'ask the families of those who died on 9/11' and 'Our government can't do such an attack on their own people', those aren't arguments.
They're just like the thousands of civilians that died in Iraq and Afghanistan and so I have no sympathy for their so called 'arguments'.
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So if the conspiracy theories are incorrect then that implies that the official explanation must be the correct one, right?
I don't fully believe in those theories but I think it's possible. And I never said that the conspiracy theories are incorrect.
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What I'm trying to illustrate here is that the conspiracy theories have been debunked by many, many different people using very rational arguments
Not really. I'm still not convinced at the steel burning theory. The 50% of strength loosing theory is bullshit and so are many others.
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What experts? What logical arguments? A fire department guy who lost fifty friends on 9/11 isn't an expert and he put up no logical arguments really. In fact he didn't put up any arguments at all. The guys in those videos say 'ask the families of those who died on 9/11' and 'Our government can't do such an attack on their own people', those aren't arguments.
Let's start with about 9:37 in when they illustrate how conspiracy theorists use disparate facts to prove their arguments. Exactly what has happened with 9/11
And then at about 10:10 - 11:10 when the expert explains exactly how fire and not explosions brought down the towers.
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I don't fully believe in those theories but I think it's possible. And I never said that the conspiracy theories are incorrect.
They're not possible because they've been proven to be false. I cannot fly no matter how much I believe it to be true.
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Not really. I'm still not convinced at the steel burning theory. The 50% of strength loosing theory is bullshit and so are many others.
Ummm, steel losing it's strength at a certain temperature is a scientifically proven fact. This is not up for debate.
Let's start with about 9:37 in when they illustrate how conspiracy theorists use disparate facts to prove their arguments. Exactly what has happened with 9/11
And then at about 10:10 - 11:10 when the expert explains exactly how fire and not explosions brought down the towers.
'There is no evidence that there were bombs or anything in the building, what really brought down the building was the fire.'
Still there is no solid proof that the towers were brought down by the fire. I've heard about the theory which says that the towers were designed in such a way that they could have collapsed due to the fire which they did... but I've also heard of the theory which says that the towers were designed in such a way that they couldn't have collapsed due to such a fire.
'There were a lot of hydrocarbons in there that gave out a lot of heat'
Okay. So that made those huge towers collapse? You gotta be kidding me.
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Ummm, steel losing it's strength at a certain temperature is a scientifically proven fact. This is not up for debate.
There are a lot of other 'scientifically proven' theories which state that the towers couldn't have collapsed the way that they did.
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Still there is no solid proof that the towers were brought down by the fire.
*Sigh* There is more proof that they were brought down by fire than anything else. Any of the other suggestions have been thoroughly discredited.
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I've heard about the theory which says that the towers were designed in such a way that they could have collapsed due to the fire which they did... but I've also heard of the theory which says that the towers were designed in such a way that they couldn't have collapsed due to such a fire.
Indecisive bastard.
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Okay. So that made those huge towers collapse? You gotta be kidding me.
Not just that, but these objects are what allowed a sustained burn to happen and what allowed the temperature to rise high enough to have steel lose it's strength. Those hydrocarbons may well have been the catalyst.
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There are a lot of other 'scientifically proven' theories which state that the towers couldn't have collapsed the way that they did.
I'm sure that there were, but I don't see anyone with any kind of technical knowledge stating that steel does not behave in this manner.
With all due respect C4, I think there is plenty of evidence that supports that 9/11 was a terrorist attack. And alot more that debunks it as an inside job.
But we've already been around this merry go round. It's been several pages of debate now. I think its obvious that no matter how much evidence I present, or anyone else presents, you just refuse to believe that it was a terrorist attack.
That's your right of course. As a christian I understand that despite all physical evidence against me, I still believe in Jesus Christ. You denying 9/11 being a terrorist attack is pretty much in the same category now. And I can't blame you for that.
But the conspiracy theories have been debunked. You naturally don't have to concede defeat, as I know you wont. But I think after all this debate it's time we agree to disagree. After so much arguing, wouldn't you agree that at this point it's impossible to convince each other of our respective arguments?
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There were a lot of hydrocarbons in there that gave out a lot of heat
Do Jews fart aqua-farts?
Anyway, terrorist or mafia are just terrorist; they dont belong to any religion. They just attack for their OWN benefits. So its some underground organizations as well as publicly known organizations that wanted to rule the world for their own benefit and power. Do we need to debate who were those individuals? Who cares? bunch of criminals wanted to sort out stuff between them for an outcome of the word, CONTROL.
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Anyway, terrorist or mafia are just terrorist; they dont belong to any religion. They just attack for their OWN benefits. So its some underground organizations as well as publicly known organizations that wanted to rule the world for their own benefit and power. Do we need to debate who were those individuals? Who cares? bunch of criminals wanted to sort out stuff between them for an outcome of the word, CONTROL.
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